1
00:00:09,190 --> 00:00:06,550
[Music]

2
00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:09,200
welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

3
00:00:17,140 --> 00:00:13,930
from australia for science and reason

4
00:00:17,150 --> 00:00:24,230
[Music]

5
00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:26,070
yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

6
00:00:33,510 --> 00:00:29,039
episode number 721

7
00:00:35,910 --> 00:00:33,520
for the 31st of july 2022

8
00:00:38,310 --> 00:00:35,920
richard saunders coming to you from what

9
00:00:39,350 --> 00:00:38,320
a change sunny

10
00:00:42,549 --> 00:00:39,360
cool

11
00:00:44,150 --> 00:00:42,559
but sunny sydney australia

12
00:00:45,190 --> 00:00:44,160
on this week's show we're going to kick

13
00:00:48,389 --> 00:00:45,200
off with

14
00:00:50,150 --> 00:00:48,399
a longer tribute a proper tribute i hope

15
00:00:53,110 --> 00:00:50,160
to my friend jim wilshere who passed

16
00:00:54,869 --> 00:00:53,120
away sadly a couple of weeks ago now jim

17
00:00:55,990 --> 00:00:54,879
was certainly an inspiration for me over

18
00:00:58,310 --> 00:00:56,000
the years

19
00:01:00,150 --> 00:00:58,320
i was always a fan of jim wilshere even

20
00:01:01,750 --> 00:01:00,160
when we became good friends i was still

21
00:01:03,590 --> 00:01:01,760
a fan of his work

22
00:01:05,189 --> 00:01:03,600
and his

23
00:01:06,710 --> 00:01:05,199
advice

24
00:01:08,630 --> 00:01:06,720
and his example

25
00:01:10,070 --> 00:01:08,640
meant a lot to me over the years when it

26
00:01:12,950 --> 00:01:10,080
comes to things like

27
00:01:15,190 --> 00:01:12,960
well presenting on radio and podcasts

28
00:01:17,429 --> 00:01:15,200
find out more about my wonderful friend

29
00:01:19,590 --> 00:01:17,439
jim wilshere and

30
00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:19,600
we'll also hear jim reading one of his

31
00:01:24,870 --> 00:01:22,560
skeptical poems he wrote especially for

32
00:01:28,070 --> 00:01:24,880
a water divining test following that

33
00:01:29,109 --> 00:01:28,080
it's the latest from australian skeptics

34
00:01:32,630 --> 00:01:29,119
news

35
00:01:35,270 --> 00:01:32,640
written by tim mendem and read by adrian

36
00:01:37,830 --> 00:01:35,280
hill in canada and then we catch up with

37
00:01:41,109 --> 00:01:37,840
that goose maynard maynard was in town

38
00:01:43,270 --> 00:01:41,119
recently i swung by the suburb of glebe

39
00:01:45,990 --> 00:01:43,280
to the madame froufrou cafe where he and

40
00:01:48,630 --> 00:01:46,000
i used to well quite regularly meet up

41
00:01:50,710 --> 00:01:48,640
in the before times before the pandemic

42
00:01:53,350 --> 00:01:50,720
we have a coffee and we find out what

43
00:01:55,749 --> 00:01:53,360
maynard's up to including his own

44
00:01:58,230 --> 00:01:55,759
podcast where he just recently

45
00:02:00,550 --> 00:01:58,240
interviewed that great british pop star

46
00:02:03,030 --> 00:02:00,560
murray wilson then around off the show

47
00:02:05,670 --> 00:02:03,040
it's back to the trove archives and we

48
00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:05,680
find out about pyramid power

49
00:02:11,110 --> 00:02:08,399
oh boy pyramid power

50
00:02:14,550 --> 00:02:11,120
how powerful were pyramids how powerful

51
00:02:16,630 --> 00:02:14,560
are pyramids in the 1970s and the 1980s

52
00:02:19,270 --> 00:02:16,640
people were sitting under pyramids

53
00:02:20,869 --> 00:02:19,280
meditating under pyramids putting razor

54
00:02:22,869 --> 00:02:20,879
blades under pyramids and doing all

55
00:02:25,110 --> 00:02:22,879
sorts of things under pyramids

56
00:02:28,150 --> 00:02:25,120
before we start a little note from me to

57
00:02:31,670 --> 00:02:28,160
say those of you listening in australia

58
00:02:33,430 --> 00:02:31,680
if you tune into abc tv

59
00:02:37,270 --> 00:02:33,440
news breakfast

60
00:02:39,670 --> 00:02:37,280
7 45 a.m on monday that's monday the 1st

61
00:02:40,710 --> 00:02:39,680
of august you should see

62
00:02:45,589 --> 00:02:40,720
me

63
00:02:47,589 --> 00:02:45,599
that's going to be recorded live so

64
00:02:49,910 --> 00:02:47,599
fingers crossed as we skeptics love to

65
00:02:52,470 --> 00:02:49,920
say fingers crossed also a big shout out

66
00:02:54,949 --> 00:02:52,480
to those people especially in australia

67
00:02:57,750 --> 00:02:54,959
but around the world who have decided to

68
00:02:59,430 --> 00:02:57,760
get their fourth shot or their second

69
00:03:01,430 --> 00:02:59,440
booster how does it work i'm not sure i

70
00:03:03,270 --> 00:03:01,440
had two vaccinations and then they said

71
00:03:04,630 --> 00:03:03,280
i needed a booster which i had so that's

72
00:03:06,949 --> 00:03:04,640
number three

73
00:03:09,910 --> 00:03:06,959
and recently i had number four

74
00:03:12,390 --> 00:03:09,920
and my side effects i felt quite fine

75
00:03:14,630 --> 00:03:12,400
except for a sore arm i don't remember

76
00:03:18,070 --> 00:03:14,640
having such a sore arm in the past from

77
00:03:20,070 --> 00:03:18,080
a vaccination it was sore for a few days

78
00:03:21,990 --> 00:03:20,080
so all you people out there who have had

79
00:03:23,750 --> 00:03:22,000
a bit of a sore arm

80
00:03:25,670 --> 00:03:23,760
well well done

81
00:03:28,149 --> 00:03:25,680
well done because the sore arm is a

82
00:03:30,470 --> 00:03:28,159
small price to pay for that extra little

83
00:03:32,390 --> 00:03:30,480
bit of immunization but now it's time

84
00:03:35,670 --> 00:03:32,400
for me to run downstairs

85
00:03:38,390 --> 00:03:35,680
and i think i might fire up the barbecue

86
00:03:40,229 --> 00:03:38,400
why not why don't i have a barbecue it

87
00:03:42,710 --> 00:03:40,239
might last just about as long as the

88
00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:42,720
skeptic zone this week while i do that

89
00:03:54,010 --> 00:03:58,800
[Applause]

90
00:04:02,510 --> 00:04:00,800
[Music]

91
00:04:05,190 --> 00:04:02,520
[Laughter]

92
00:04:06,869 --> 00:04:05,200
[Music]

93
00:04:08,789 --> 00:04:06,879
now as we've been telling you over the

94
00:04:11,030 --> 00:04:08,799
last few weeks we are very sad to hear

95
00:04:13,990 --> 00:04:11,040
of the passing of jim wilshire jim

96
00:04:16,229 --> 00:04:14,000
wilshere the skeptic zone voice over man

97
00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:16,239
and he did many of the introductions for

98
00:04:21,110 --> 00:04:19,120
reporters over the years

99
00:04:23,830 --> 00:04:21,120
but more importantly

100
00:04:26,950 --> 00:04:23,840
for me he was a huge influence i first

101
00:04:30,870 --> 00:04:26,960
met jim in 1985 when i was just a

102
00:04:34,469 --> 00:04:30,880
teenager and jim had a radio show on

103
00:04:35,909 --> 00:04:34,479
midnight to dawn weekends here in sydney

104
00:04:38,790 --> 00:04:35,919
and i was

105
00:04:40,230 --> 00:04:38,800
uh i was getting over a very traumatic

106
00:04:42,390 --> 00:04:40,240
experience i had

107
00:04:43,590 --> 00:04:42,400
in uh finishing high school

108
00:04:45,590 --> 00:04:43,600
[Music]

109
00:04:49,430 --> 00:04:45,600
and so i would often stay up all night

110
00:04:50,870 --> 00:04:49,440
and uh jim's late night comedy

111
00:04:52,870 --> 00:04:50,880
show which went for hours with

112
00:04:55,030 --> 00:04:52,880
interviews and sketches and funny bits

113
00:04:57,590 --> 00:04:55,040
and competitions

114
00:05:00,550 --> 00:04:57,600
was uh just uh something i really needed

115
00:05:02,150 --> 00:05:00,560
it took my mind off things anyway i grew

116
00:05:03,990 --> 00:05:02,160
to love the show it was called nightclub

117
00:05:06,230 --> 00:05:04,000
jim wilshere's nightclub

118
00:05:07,909 --> 00:05:06,240
and i wrote in a funny letter

119
00:05:10,469 --> 00:05:07,919
because i thought

120
00:05:12,710 --> 00:05:10,479
this guy's sort of my sense of humor and

121
00:05:15,110 --> 00:05:12,720
it was a crazy story about uh fleas

122
00:05:16,550 --> 00:05:15,120
being hijacked and all sorts of things

123
00:05:18,629 --> 00:05:16,560
but uh i was

124
00:05:21,110 --> 00:05:18,639
amazed when i tuned into the next

125
00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:21,120
episode to hear jim talk about my letter

126
00:05:24,629 --> 00:05:22,800
at the top of the show and then read it

127
00:05:26,150 --> 00:05:24,639
out towards the end of the show i

128
00:05:27,990 --> 00:05:26,160
couldn't believe it

129
00:05:30,629 --> 00:05:28,000
and he sent me a

130
00:05:33,510 --> 00:05:30,639
really nice book about motor racing f1

131
00:05:35,029 --> 00:05:33,520
formula one motor racing together with a

132
00:05:36,629 --> 00:05:35,039
letter from his producer so you can

133
00:05:39,510 --> 00:05:36,639
imagine i was

134
00:05:41,909 --> 00:05:39,520
i i was over the moon

135
00:05:44,310 --> 00:05:41,919
some weeks go by i finally get to meet

136
00:05:47,270 --> 00:05:44,320
jim in the studio

137
00:05:50,230 --> 00:05:47,280
when uh just before he left

138
00:05:51,670 --> 00:05:50,240
sydney to go and work in canberra radio

139
00:05:53,830 --> 00:05:51,680
and we sort of

140
00:05:55,510 --> 00:05:53,840
stayed in touch over the years

141
00:05:57,990 --> 00:05:55,520
and i would often visit jim when he

142
00:05:59,670 --> 00:05:58,000
moved to the albury wodonga area to take

143
00:06:01,350 --> 00:05:59,680
up a radio position there in fact i

144
00:06:04,230 --> 00:06:01,360
helped him move

145
00:06:06,629 --> 00:06:04,240
we rented a huge van and i helped him

146
00:06:08,790 --> 00:06:06,639
move all his furniture down there so we

147
00:06:11,590 --> 00:06:08,800
did keep in touch over the years

148
00:06:13,830 --> 00:06:11,600
and i spent many a happy day

149
00:06:16,150 --> 00:06:13,840
on jim's uh

150
00:06:18,870 --> 00:06:16,160
in jim's little farmhouse

151
00:06:20,629 --> 00:06:18,880
down in the uh rolling hills

152
00:06:22,469 --> 00:06:20,639
of the murray river

153
00:06:24,710 --> 00:06:22,479
where we would watch funny movies and

154
00:06:27,350 --> 00:06:24,720
have adventures and ended up working a

155
00:06:29,029 --> 00:06:27,360
lot together we uh

156
00:06:30,150 --> 00:06:29,039
we shot a

157
00:06:32,230 --> 00:06:30,160
dvd

158
00:06:35,909 --> 00:06:32,240
of jim's poetry

159
00:06:38,790 --> 00:06:35,919
one time about uh 15 or 16 years ago

160
00:06:41,510 --> 00:06:38,800
and that was just a wonderful experience

161
00:06:44,390 --> 00:06:41,520
we shot and then i edited all that and

162
00:06:46,830 --> 00:06:44,400
uh authored the dvd

163
00:06:50,230 --> 00:06:46,840
jim was also known

164
00:06:52,950 --> 00:06:50,240
for a movie role he did

165
00:06:54,629 --> 00:06:52,960
in a movie called strange bedfellows

166
00:06:56,469 --> 00:06:54,639
with paul hogan

167
00:06:59,430 --> 00:06:56,479
and if you've seen the movie strange

168
00:07:01,749 --> 00:06:59,440
bedfellows there's a scene in a country

169
00:07:03,350 --> 00:07:01,759
hall where there's a dance and jim plays

170
00:07:05,589 --> 00:07:03,360
the band leader

171
00:07:07,189 --> 00:07:05,599
and he said that was a wonderful

172
00:07:11,510 --> 00:07:07,199
experience

173
00:07:13,589 --> 00:07:11,520
jim in 1996 also became australia's

174
00:07:15,830 --> 00:07:13,599
guerning champion or face pulling

175
00:07:17,350 --> 00:07:15,840
champion on a tv show called hey hey

176
00:07:18,950 --> 00:07:17,360
it's saturday

177
00:07:21,270 --> 00:07:18,960
and jim

178
00:07:23,189 --> 00:07:21,280
for years like to say he was still

179
00:07:25,510 --> 00:07:23,199
australia's reigning face pulling

180
00:07:27,589 --> 00:07:25,520
champion because they never had another

181
00:07:29,029 --> 00:07:27,599
one

182
00:07:31,189 --> 00:07:29,039
jim

183
00:07:34,070 --> 00:07:31,199
also and probably why he sent me a book

184
00:07:34,950 --> 00:07:34,080
on formula one racing as a prize jim

185
00:07:36,390 --> 00:07:34,960
loved

186
00:07:38,230 --> 00:07:36,400
uh cars

187
00:07:39,270 --> 00:07:38,240
he wasn't a petrol head you know he

188
00:07:40,870 --> 00:07:39,280
wasn't

189
00:07:43,350 --> 00:07:40,880
somebody who would get into a car and

190
00:07:45,830 --> 00:07:43,360
just rev it up and

191
00:07:47,749 --> 00:07:45,840
he appreciated cars he appreciated

192
00:07:50,150 --> 00:07:47,759
engineering and he appreciated good

193
00:07:51,350 --> 00:07:50,160
driving it was one of his passions in

194
00:07:53,110 --> 00:07:51,360
life

195
00:07:54,790 --> 00:07:53,120
jim and i also worked together on the

196
00:07:56,790 --> 00:07:54,800
mighty metamaster water divining

197
00:07:58,790 --> 00:07:56,800
documentary after i'd filmed the

198
00:08:01,029 --> 00:07:58,800
documentary and put it together into a

199
00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:01,039
rough edit i traveled back down to the

200
00:08:05,430 --> 00:08:03,520
albury wodonga area to visit jim

201
00:08:07,990 --> 00:08:05,440
and we spent a few days

202
00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:08,000
writing the script then later on jim

203
00:08:12,550 --> 00:08:10,000
came to sydney we

204
00:08:14,469 --> 00:08:12,560
had the use of a radio studio and jim

205
00:08:17,270 --> 00:08:14,479
did the voice over work for that as well

206
00:08:19,029 --> 00:08:17,280
as recording some poetry along the way

207
00:08:20,230 --> 00:08:19,039
and in a moment i'll play you one of the

208
00:08:22,390 --> 00:08:20,240
poems

209
00:08:26,469 --> 00:08:22,400
jim recorded that day

210
00:08:27,749 --> 00:08:26,479
a poem all about water divining tests i

211
00:08:30,230 --> 00:08:27,759
had the pleasure of appearing with jim

212
00:08:32,949 --> 00:08:30,240
lusher on melbourne radio in about 1989

213
00:08:34,949 --> 00:08:32,959
i had a new origami book out at the time

214
00:08:37,430 --> 00:08:34,959
and jim being a friend invited me onto

215
00:08:40,070 --> 00:08:37,440
his drive

216
00:08:43,509 --> 00:08:40,080
radio show which was a very high profile

217
00:08:44,630 --> 00:08:43,519
radio show on the 3aw station in

218
00:08:48,070 --> 00:08:44,640
melbourne

219
00:08:49,509 --> 00:08:48,080
and jim at that stage had invented a

220
00:08:51,829 --> 00:08:49,519
game

221
00:08:54,870 --> 00:08:51,839
for call-in listeners to play on the

222
00:08:55,990 --> 00:08:54,880
radio he called it addiction and it was

223
00:09:15,829 --> 00:08:56,000
a

224
00:09:17,910 --> 00:09:15,839
i didn't see jim

225
00:09:18,949 --> 00:09:17,920
largely because of covert

226
00:09:20,949 --> 00:09:18,959
jim

227
00:09:22,710 --> 00:09:20,959
uh or when covert hid

228
00:09:24,790 --> 00:09:22,720
we couldn't travel anyway i certainly

229
00:09:27,910 --> 00:09:24,800
couldn't travel out of sydney down to

230
00:09:30,310 --> 00:09:27,920
see gym in the uh albury wodonga area

231
00:09:32,470 --> 00:09:30,320
which is about a six hour drive

232
00:09:34,949 --> 00:09:32,480
and then as things sort of went up and

233
00:09:37,350 --> 00:09:34,959
down with covert i spoke to jim on the

234
00:09:38,870 --> 00:09:37,360
phone and he was quite happy not to have

235
00:09:40,230 --> 00:09:38,880
visitors at that time because he was

236
00:09:45,030 --> 00:09:40,240
worried about

237
00:09:46,310 --> 00:09:45,040
so yet another uh pity another tragedy i

238
00:09:47,990 --> 00:09:46,320
guess you could say

239
00:09:50,630 --> 00:09:48,000
concerning covert and i know it's

240
00:09:53,750 --> 00:09:50,640
disrupted many lives around the world

241
00:09:56,230 --> 00:09:53,760
jim wilshere was a genuinely nice guy

242
00:09:58,790 --> 00:09:56,240
he treated people with respect

243
00:10:01,750 --> 00:09:58,800
and he took his craft very seriously but

244
00:10:03,670 --> 00:10:01,760
had a lot of fun along the way

245
00:10:05,829 --> 00:10:03,680
and for you budding podcasters out there

246
00:10:08,710 --> 00:10:05,839
the best one of the best bits of advice

247
00:10:11,350 --> 00:10:08,720
jim gave me amongst many bits of advice

248
00:10:15,750 --> 00:10:11,360
was when you're reading or you're you're

249
00:10:17,750 --> 00:10:15,760
presenting on radio or podcasts he said

250
00:10:19,910 --> 00:10:17,760
read a script

251
00:10:21,590 --> 00:10:19,920
as if you're ad-libbing

252
00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:21,600
and ad-lib

253
00:10:25,829 --> 00:10:24,240
as if you're reading a script

254
00:10:27,590 --> 00:10:25,839
and the more you think about it the more

255
00:10:28,870 --> 00:10:27,600
that makes sense

256
00:10:30,310 --> 00:10:28,880
in other words if you're reading

257
00:10:32,470 --> 00:10:30,320
something don't make it

258
00:10:34,389 --> 00:10:32,480
dry and cold put some

259
00:10:36,310 --> 00:10:34,399
character into it as if

260
00:10:37,750 --> 00:10:36,320
as if you're not reading it

261
00:10:38,790 --> 00:10:37,760
but if you're ad-libbing something off

262
00:10:41,269 --> 00:10:38,800
the cuff

263
00:10:43,910 --> 00:10:41,279
then try and make it flow as if you're

264
00:10:46,310 --> 00:10:43,920
following some sort of idea or script

265
00:10:48,069 --> 00:10:46,320
there's so much more to jim than what

266
00:10:50,630 --> 00:10:48,079
i've covered here

267
00:10:51,750 --> 00:10:50,640
and needless to say personally i will

268
00:10:55,030 --> 00:10:51,760
miss jim

269
00:10:57,990 --> 00:10:55,040
very much but now here is jim

270
00:11:00,710 --> 00:10:58,000
uh the raw recording of jim reading

271
00:11:03,350 --> 00:11:00,720
his poem uh written especially for the

272
00:11:08,230 --> 00:11:03,360
documentary and water divining

273
00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,790
testing one two three one two three

274
00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,069
take two

275
00:11:21,430 --> 00:11:18,790
the gang turned up armed with wire and

276
00:11:24,230 --> 00:11:21,440
wood to locate the water wherever they

277
00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:24,240
could by reading vibrations that come

278
00:11:29,829 --> 00:11:26,560
from the ground which show where the

279
00:11:32,150 --> 00:11:29,839
water was sure to be found

280
00:11:34,470 --> 00:11:32,160
they came to win money at the dowsers

281
00:11:36,949 --> 00:11:34,480
convention with prayers of hope for

282
00:11:41,350 --> 00:11:36,959
divine intervention to help them to

283
00:11:43,829 --> 00:11:41,360
sense the old h2o then one by one they

284
00:11:46,150 --> 00:11:43,839
all had a go

285
00:11:48,710 --> 00:11:46,160
chance predicted the success they would

286
00:11:50,870 --> 00:11:48,720
face as they searched for the water all

287
00:11:53,910 --> 00:11:50,880
over the place at the muster in the

288
00:11:57,829 --> 00:11:53,920
hills up metametaway and with a loot on

289
00:12:00,069 --> 00:11:57,839
the line they were ready to play

290
00:12:02,150 --> 00:12:00,079
walking in a circle or in a crisscross

291
00:12:04,790 --> 00:12:02,160
line with a weight of belief in the

292
00:12:07,190 --> 00:12:04,800
autumn sunshine making sweat on their

293
00:12:09,670 --> 00:12:07,200
brows as they tried to tell

294
00:12:11,990 --> 00:12:09,680
which was just sand and where was the

295
00:12:17,110 --> 00:12:14,310
then the sun went down on the muster at

296
00:12:19,590 --> 00:12:17,120
mitta and the sweet taste of victory had

297
00:12:22,629 --> 00:12:19,600
turned a bit bitter for the dowsers and

298
00:12:24,710 --> 00:12:22,639
diviners had failed to find water

299
00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:24,720
maybe their rod should have been longer

300
00:12:29,509 --> 00:12:27,360
or shorter

301
00:12:32,389 --> 00:12:29,519
the contestants blamed static and

302
00:12:35,350 --> 00:12:32,399
streams and fences that disturbed the

303
00:12:37,430 --> 00:12:35,360
waves and twiddled their senses but the

304
00:12:38,629 --> 00:12:37,440
skeptics went home with their booty

305
00:12:41,350 --> 00:12:38,639
intact

306
00:12:44,790 --> 00:12:41,360
because none could prove that dowsing's

307
00:12:48,790 --> 00:12:46,790
it felt good

308
00:12:50,470 --> 00:12:48,800
right huh sounds bloody good

309
00:12:52,389 --> 00:12:50,480
john's bloody good

310
00:12:56,790 --> 00:12:52,399
let's have a fiddle

311
00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:02,629
you should be in the radio games

312
00:13:06,210 --> 00:13:03,990
so long jim

313
00:13:13,740 --> 00:13:06,220
and thanks for everything

314
00:13:13,750 --> 00:13:20,550
[Music]

315
00:13:23,990 --> 00:13:22,790
i'm mick west in my podcast tales from

316
00:13:25,430 --> 00:13:24,000
the rabbit hole i have extended

317
00:13:27,750 --> 00:13:25,440
conversations with people who've been

318
00:13:29,430 --> 00:13:27,760
involved in conspiracy culture i do this

319
00:13:30,710 --> 00:13:29,440
for a couple of reasons firstly because

320
00:13:32,389 --> 00:13:30,720
it's really interesting these people

321
00:13:34,069 --> 00:13:32,399
have great stories about how they fell

322
00:13:35,910 --> 00:13:34,079
down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole

323
00:13:37,670 --> 00:13:35,920
what they did down there and what it was

324
00:13:38,790 --> 00:13:37,680
that helped them out sometimes i also

325
00:13:40,150 --> 00:13:38,800
talk to people who investigate

326
00:13:41,590 --> 00:13:40,160
conspiracy theories and they have

327
00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:41,600
equally fascinating stories from the

328
00:13:45,189 --> 00:13:43,920
other side secondly i want to understand

329
00:13:47,110 --> 00:13:45,199
how best to prevent the spread of

330
00:13:48,949 --> 00:13:47,120
conspiracy theorism misinformation which

331
00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:48,959
is an increasing problem in a time when

332
00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:51,360
alternative media is exploding the best

333
00:13:55,030 --> 00:13:53,040
way to do this is to communicate

334
00:13:56,949 --> 00:13:55,040
effectively with the people involved and

335
00:13:58,389 --> 00:13:56,959
the best way to do that is with a nice

336
00:14:00,949 --> 00:13:58,399
long chat

337
00:14:03,420 --> 00:14:00,959
check it out tales from the rabbit hole

338
00:14:25,590 --> 00:14:03,430
tftrh.com

339
00:14:27,990 --> 00:14:25,600
[Music]

340
00:14:29,829 --> 00:14:28,000
hello everyone this is adrian hill from

341
00:14:33,030 --> 00:14:29,839
canada here to read the highlights from

342
00:14:36,790 --> 00:14:33,040
the australian skeptics newsletter

343
00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:36,800
this is newsletter number 153

344
00:14:40,550 --> 00:14:38,720
you can subscribe to this newsletter and

345
00:14:42,629 --> 00:14:40,560
get it delivered to your inbox every

346
00:14:44,470 --> 00:14:42,639
other week complete with links to all

347
00:14:50,629 --> 00:14:44,480
the stories

348
00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:53,269
but now let's see what tim mendom has

349
00:14:58,550 --> 00:14:56,079
for us this week

350
00:15:00,870 --> 00:14:58,560
hi all says tim

351
00:15:02,710 --> 00:15:00,880
if anyone needed to see evolution in

352
00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:02,720
action you need only look at the

353
00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:05,040
development of covet variants

354
00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:06,720
what would take millions of years in

355
00:15:10,550 --> 00:15:08,959
vertebrate life forms takes only weeks

356
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:10,560
in the viral world

357
00:15:14,389 --> 00:15:12,399
new variants tried and failed

358
00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:14,399
and some being successful in current

359
00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:16,800
circumstances with new ones waiting in

360
00:15:20,470 --> 00:15:18,240
the wings

361
00:15:22,870 --> 00:15:20,480
it makes you realize what a hard job it

362
00:15:25,350 --> 00:15:22,880
is keeping only a few steps behind with

363
00:15:27,189 --> 00:15:25,360
vaccination development

364
00:15:30,870 --> 00:15:27,199
tell that to your crazy uncle who keeps

365
00:15:32,389 --> 00:15:30,880
saying quote see vaccines don't work end

366
00:15:35,509 --> 00:15:32,399
quote

367
00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:35,519
and on that happy note read on

368
00:15:41,749 --> 00:15:36,880
okay tim

369
00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:44,150
the science of placebos is fueling

370
00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:46,480
quackery

371
00:15:51,030 --> 00:15:48,720
this discusses the benefits and dangers

372
00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:51,040
of placebos and how they can be used to

373
00:15:55,749 --> 00:15:53,440
substitute for science and research

374
00:15:57,910 --> 00:15:55,759
quote education communication and

375
00:15:59,030 --> 00:15:57,920
honesty are the best friends of medical

376
00:16:01,110 --> 00:15:59,040
practice

377
00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:01,120
patients and health care professionals

378
00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:03,680
deserve to know what placebos can and

379
00:16:11,269 --> 00:16:06,880
cannot do end quote

380
00:16:13,590 --> 00:16:11,279
why do smart people join cults

381
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:13,600
this is a lengthy piece but looks at how

382
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:15,519
people you think would not get wrapped

383
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:18,480
up in a cult do in fact get wrapped up

384
00:16:21,749 --> 00:16:19,839
in a cult

385
00:16:24,069 --> 00:16:21,759
what are the nature and motivations of

386
00:16:26,310 --> 00:16:24,079
cults what drives members to often put

387
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:26,320
up with mental and physical abuse and

388
00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:28,079
how do they get out

389
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:30,480
and of course it shows that no one

390
00:16:35,780 --> 00:16:33,839
regardless of education or smartness is

391
00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:35,790
immune from silliness

392
00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:38,399
[Music]

393
00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:41,440
scientists who have been misquoted by

394
00:16:45,509 --> 00:16:43,360
ghost hunters

395
00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:45,519
this article looks at the paranormal

396
00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:47,839
fraternity's propensity to use incorrect

397
00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:49,360
or incomplete quotes and

398
00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:52,800
sciency-sounding terms from edison tesla

399
00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:56,320
and einstein twice to substantiate their

400
00:17:00,150 --> 00:16:58,320
world views

401
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:00,160
a refreshing discussion from what is

402
00:17:07,270 --> 00:17:04,559
basically a pro paranormal site

403
00:17:09,270 --> 00:17:07,280
the june issue of the skeptic magazine

404
00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:09,280
is now out with a special feature on

405
00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:11,600
pseudoscience riding on the coattails of

406
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:13,919
genuine science and i finally got mine

407
00:17:18,309 --> 00:17:16,079
takes a while to get to canada

408
00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:18,319
if you haven't subscribed yet now is the

409
00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:20,400
time to do so

410
00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:22,480
contact the editor if you're not sure if

411
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:24,079
your existing subscription needs

412
00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:26,000
renewing

413
00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:28,480
to subscribe to the skeptic go to our

414
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:30,799
shop to sign up for a hard copy or

415
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:33,760
digital edition or both like i do the

416
00:17:38,070 --> 00:17:35,600
digital is offered free to those who

417
00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:38,080
take up the hard copy version

418
00:17:43,110 --> 00:17:39,840
learn more about our magazine and

419
00:17:47,830 --> 00:17:44,830
skeptics in

420
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:47,840
action if you have any ideas for stories

421
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:49,360
or want to contribute to skeptics

422
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:51,360
communications such as the magazine or

423
00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:53,360
facebook page or just have something you

424
00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:55,200
want to get off your chest then you're

425
00:18:00,669 --> 00:17:57,039
welcome to get in touch

426
00:18:02,050 --> 00:18:00,679
new leads should be sent to news tips at

427
00:18:03,909 --> 00:18:02,060
skeptics.com.a you

428
00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:03,919
[Music]

429
00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:06,000
items of interest

430
00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:10,320
travel tips with my favorite ghosts

431
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:15,520
10 best places to spot ghosts in miami

432
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:17,440
not exactly the city you first think of

433
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:19,280
as a ghost hub and perhaps

434
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:21,600
understandably as some of the places

435
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:24,640
listed don't actually have ghosts

436
00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:26,720
but there are a number of cemeteries

437
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:28,880
some of which aren't haunted and some

438
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:31,280
very large buildings which might make

439
00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:34,240
finding ghosts a tad difficult

440
00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:36,080
this is really just a plug for ghost

441
00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:38,320
tours so it's handy from that point of

442
00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:40,320
view

443
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:45,440
now for 15 haunted places in india

444
00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:48,400
there are forts temples hotels and even

445
00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:55,029
nine of the most haunted places around

446
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:56,210
the world

447
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:57,520
[Music]

448
00:19:01,990 --> 00:18:59,280
and for the people who want to go the

449
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:02,000
whole hog on their world discovery tour

450
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:04,160
here's a swag of the usual culprits and

451
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:06,720
some novelties from a range of countries

452
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:09,200
though south africa is the only southern

453
00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:10,880
hemisphere location

454
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:13,360
surprisingly neither of the hotels

455
00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:14,799
involved with the book and the filming

456
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,360
of the shining are included despite

457
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:19,360
there being perennials in these types of

458
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:21,120
lists

459
00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:23,280
more ghosts

460
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:27,760
the 25 greatest ghost films

461
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:29,840
at last a list made by someone older

462
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:31,200
than 15.

463
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:32,960
films here stretch back to the early

464
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:35,760
1950s and makes a pretty decent list of

465
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:38,000
choosing some classics albeit still

466
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:40,160
concentrating on scares rather than

467
00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:41,120
charm

468
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:43,679
anyone for the canterville ghost

469
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:45,520
nonetheless this is better than most

470
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:47,919
such lists which seem to think cinema

471
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:51,200
started in the early 2000s

472
00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:53,919
now on to some alien news

473
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:57,360
quote i was forced to dissect an alien

474
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:59,440
end quote says nurse

475
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,520
this is a story about a funeral director

476
00:20:05,909 --> 00:20:03,600
from roswell who was asked to build

477
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:05,919
child-sized coffins presumably for

478
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:07,039
aliens

479
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,200
it also discusses an army nurse's story

480
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:11,360
told to the funeral director about being

481
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:13,840
forced to dissect aliens and how she was

482
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:16,080
so traumatized by the event that she

483
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:17,280
resigned

484
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:19,679
and that's it for the nurse's story no

485
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:23,760
details no description no name nothing

486
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:26,320
in fact not much detail of anything

487
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:28,240
especially considering it was from

488
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:30,880
someone who is apparently so persuasive

489
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:33,200
that a detective said quote

490
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:35,200
i sat down with him and i would say that

491
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:37,760
in about 30 or 40 minutes all the doubts

492
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:40,080
i had about the reality of roswell were

493
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:45,990
and now for an interesting follow-up

494
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:49,039
about those psychic animals and the uk

495
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,640
leadership

496
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:52,320
in the last newsletter we mentioned a

497
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:54,799
psychic seal and a human psychic who

498
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:57,679
consults asparagus who named the next

499
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,159
leader of the tory party in the uk

500
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:02,880
they both picked ben wallace and guess

501
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,679
what they were both wrong he didn't even

502
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:07,120
make the first cut

503
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:08,640
moral of the story

504
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:11,919
don't trust seals or asparagus

505
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:14,240
that's all for now there is much more in

506
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:15,600
the newsletter to read when you

507
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,480
subscribe

508
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:18,720
but for now this is adrian hill signing

509
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,200
off from canada the land of curious

510
00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:23,679
currency including the looney and the

511
00:21:27,130 --> 00:21:38,549
[Music]

512
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:41,110
hi this is brian dunning as part of

513
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,280
national science week in australia

514
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,600
canberra skeptics will be hosting a free

515
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,000
screening of my latest documentary

516
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:50,880
science friction this will be on sunday

517
00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:53,919
the 14th of august at 1pm king

518
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:58,330
o'malley's pub 131 city walk in canberra

519
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,760
[Music]

520
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:03,520
so what is it all about well you know

521
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,600
those tv documentaries you see and the

522
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:07,840
science experts they feature did you

523
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:10,400
know that producers often edit them out

524
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:13,440
of context and twist their words to make

525
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:15,679
it seem like they promoted some pop

526
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:19,200
sensationalism instead of the real facts

527
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:22,320
science friction exposes this practice

528
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,840
and gives the scientists a chance to

529
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:25,280
clear the record

530
00:22:30,570 --> 00:22:28,080
you will be shocked to see how the media

531
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:30,580
can twist their words and intent

532
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:34,559
[Music]

533
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:38,080
that's sunday the 14th of august at 1pm

534
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,880
at king o'malley's pub for further

535
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:42,880
information about this free event please

536
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:48,950
thank you and i hope you all raise a

537
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:51,520
glass to help promote science and

538
00:22:57,170 --> 00:22:54,240
truth-telling in the media i know i

539
00:23:05,669 --> 00:22:57,180
certainly will and please enjoy the film

540
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:09,830
here's maynard's spooky action

541
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,549
we're back at the madame fruit cafe here

542
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,400
in glebe this is where you and i used to

543
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:20,000
meet maynard regularly to discuss

544
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:21,679
skeptical matters that's right it was a

545
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,400
regular hoo-ha going on here um so often

546
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,919
bunga bunga was recorded here a couple

547
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,919
of times and tim still comes here from

548
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,039
time to time we just haven't got

549
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,360
together due to the uh the pandemic

550
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:33,280
which is still lingering oh it's still

551
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:35,360
lingering on indeed in fact i'm very

552
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,720
concerned about the whole monkey pox

553
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,159
thing at the moment monkey now that the

554
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:41,120
cdc has called it um well i mean this

555
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,559
could actually get some traction because

556
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,480
you see uh a lot of people think ah

557
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,320
coveted i won't get that but uh but if

558
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,559
you get monkey pox you can't get on

559
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,320
instagram and there's no filter they can

560
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,559
get around a monkey box so people might

561
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:54,240
actually take notice at this i think

562
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,679
it's possible that people might take

563
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,360
more notice that even though it's a lot

564
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,520
less chance of getting it well i'm quite

565
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:01,279
um shocked maynard when i go on the

566
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:02,880
buses and the trains here in sydney how

567
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,440
many people forgot their mask and

568
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:07,360
there's a monkey driving that's the

569
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,080
really puzzling thing i'm thinking sure

570
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,559
he might not get covered but you know

571
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:14,240
taking it seriously i mean look like i

572
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:16,000
said i've been isolating myself for the

573
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,360
last two years and i have no intention

574
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,440
of stopping except to go out for a gig

575
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:21,120
on the 20th of august in which i will

576
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:22,960
probably get covered what are you doing

577
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,799
i'm doing a gig with the all-nighters

578
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,640
the australian scar legends the

579
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,559
all-nighters and two great supports with

580
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,480
them at

581
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:32,880
mary's underground in sydney which is uh

582
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,720
the old basement if anyone's ever been

583
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,480
there the basement down near circular

584
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,559
key yes yes yes yes it's a crowded

585
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:40,080
little one and uh i will be wearing a

586
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,440
mask as much as possible i'll be doing a

587
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:43,279
bit of djing i think i'll be playing

588
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,960
some porkers another great australian

589
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,080
band i'll be playing a bit of them on

590
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,840
the night on as i'm djing but yeah

591
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,360
that's that their 20th of august come on

592
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:51,679
down people say hello take a risk at

593
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:54,000
being in public so that's uh information

594
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:57,039
is it mina is at maynard.com uh it's

595
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,480
there or you could just look at the all

596
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,240
nighter side as well that's all nighters

597
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,559
a-l-n-i-t-e-r-s

598
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,720
because australians can't spell may not

599
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,480
i couldn't help but notice i could not

600
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:08,880
help that notice your t-shirt you're

601
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:11,120
broke but your t-shirt well yes i

602
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,559
thought i'd get out and show my skeptic

603
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:14,480
pride in fact it's uh i'm going to the

604
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:16,880
the skeptical pride march later

605
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,600
um i'll be dancing in um uh quite small

606
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,840
shorts on the lab coat on a float or

607
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,080
with a lap with a cut-off lab coat off

608
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:26,080
it's a crop top but folks

609
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,159
is wearing skeptoid media that's right

610
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:29,840
and that's a t-shirt i'll proudly have

611
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,400
on i'll say it loud say it proud i'm one

612
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,480
with brian dunning any skeptoid media

613
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,400
whatever they're on about although

614
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:38,559
apparently the the east coast of america

615
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:40,400
resembles the face of jimmy durante or

616
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,600
something like that

617
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:43,039
and he was making that case and i've got

618
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,799
no idea what that was about well he does

619
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:46,400
try doesn't look look i think sometimes

620
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:48,080
he wakes up he dreams something and he

621
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,840
wakes up and thinks it's real i think

622
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:51,600
that's a problem with dunning

623
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,120
thank you for the t-shirt and send me

624
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,600
another one it's a medium brian

625
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,679
now what have you been up to lately with

626
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,520
uh in regards to your own podcast well

627
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,200
i've been doing a few things that may be

628
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,840
of interest to the skeptical listener

629
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,600
one of them being the history of the

630
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:07,279
fashion label wills and doll baby and

631
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,559
you're thinking of what's so skeptical

632
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,120
about that well that they ran um

633
00:26:17,070 --> 00:26:13,919
mel uh ran that label in perth and in

634
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,080
adelaide and in sydney from 87 to

635
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,919
2017 and then they sort of went away

636
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:21,679
after 30 years but then she's decided to

637
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:23,039
come back and just do it as an online

638
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:25,200
store and do some pop-ups but she talks

639
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,880
about the history of pop and music how

640
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,559
it interrelates with the fashion and

641
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:30,400
it's quite interesting and also what is

642
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:31,760
the best way

643
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:36,799
people uh multiply ram rating your shop

644
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,240
and stealing all your leather jackets on

645
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,799
a regular occasion hers was a canine

646
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,799
related one which uh maybe of used to

647
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,080
some skeptical listeners out there

648
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,840
they're having problems with people

649
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:47,520
playing with their test tubes

650
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,520
yes it was a good interview yes and this

651
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,679
is all at maynard.com that's right and

652
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,200
the one that's coming out fairly shortly

653
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:55,279
and might be out as you are listening to

654
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,200
this skeptical listener is i've done an

655
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,799
interview with someone not as well known

656
00:27:01,510 --> 00:27:00,720
in australia as they should be english

657
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,520
uh

658
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,840
well legendary singer in my book mary

659
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:06,080
wilson who had just what i always wanted

660
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:07,919
and just had some real pure pop going on

661
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:11,919
there in the 80s uh really fun pop

662
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:14,000
dramatic camp it was great and mary

663
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:15,039
wilson's i've had a chat with her it's

664
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,559
going to be about a 50-minute interview

665
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:18,480
it's got everything in there and she

666
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:20,159
even revealed um would have been a

667
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,000
surprise to me that she had gone out

668
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,600
with kevin roland

669
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,760
lead singer of dexy midnight runners of

670
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:27,200
course you would know him from and he's

671
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,679
just re-released his album 2 ia which

672
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:31,440
had come on eileen on it but he's

673
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:33,440
released it and remixed it the way he

674
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,720
wanted it to be originally and the

675
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,559
record company wouldn't let him so

676
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,480
that's kind of interesting so i found

677
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,080
out a few things about mary and we had a

678
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,000
good chat about uh oh all sorts of

679
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,320
things and i even relayed questions from

680
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:46,480
the listeners to her which uh floored

681
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,399
her and i drew a few connections between

682
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:50,480
her music in the early 80s and the rave

683
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,399
culture of the 90s that she'd never

684
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,080
heard anyone ask her about before which

685
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,720
means i'm either completely wrong or no

686
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:58,240
one had really been stupid enough to ask

687
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,279
her that

688
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:01,200
one of the other one or the other as we

689
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,039
sit here the on the

690
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:05,520
side of the street here sipping out

691
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,799
what have we got some coffees there's

692
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,320
some coffee yep

693
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,679
and there's some pigeons hopefully

694
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,520
hanging around and the occasional dog

695
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,440
wanting something and the occasional bus

696
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:15,120
go oh there goes the occasional dog now

697
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:16,480
can you see it

698
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:18,080
walking down the street

699
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,360
but oh there goes the bus there's

700
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:21,600
there's one three two one is it

701
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:22,399
uh

702
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,919
yeah i think it's l three two one and

703
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,120
here comes that one and here comes a

704
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,360
four three one yeah

705
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:28,960
it's all happening here two of the great

706
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,880
bus lines this is the kind of noise that

707
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,640
they complained about on who are these

708
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,480
podcasts when they reviewed bunga bunga

709
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,240
oh yes they want to know

710
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,240
why you are were you recording a podcast

711
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,559
in a cafe with buses driving past well a

712
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,840
lot of people thought that it was um

713
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:45,279
fake yes you were recording in a studio

714
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,880
and then just putting on i think it was

715
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,240
fake and it would be much better listen

716
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:50,080
as we are here right on the side of the

717
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,919
street with buses and everything go and

718
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:53,600
maina's just got some toast delivered to

719
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:54,720
each other that's right and look there's

720
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,430
no he got no time to mention twitter but

721
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,880
it was nice to come through like that so

722
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,240
we don't fake anything on this show we

723
00:29:07,630 --> 00:29:06,240
don't fake anything may not uh good to

724
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:07,640
catch up with you folks go to

725
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:09,919
maynard.com.u and listen to

726
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,600
mary wilson

727
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,919
wilson dole baby history and

728
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:15,200
with tim ferguson and also there's a

729
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:17,200
bungabunga coming up in the next couple

730
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,559
of weeks as well there's a lot of stuff

731
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:20,640
happening and i'd like to say that

732
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:23,120
possibly on new year's eve because it's

733
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:25,120
a tradition in australia to play the

734
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:26,799
village people movie can't stop the

735
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,679
music

736
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,760
we might have an actual video live

737
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,919
stream watch along now i won't be able

738
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,360
to screen the movie but i'll pop on

739
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:35,279
during the ad breaks and keep a camera

740
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,880
of the tv but basically we can all watch

741
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,960
and enjoy can't stop the music together

742
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,799
around the world at around sometime on

743
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:44,080
new year's eve

744
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:45,440
the australian way that's what i'm

745
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,880
thinking about the moment sure it's a

746
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,880
completely uh it's an idea that will

747
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,480
make me no money whatsoever but that's

748
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:53,039
the kind of guy i am broke

749
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,640
nothing says australia more than the

750
00:30:15,750 --> 00:29:56,480
village people on new year's eve nothing

751
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,990
hello this is maynard did you know that

752
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:19,600
you could listen to the skeptic zone on

753
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:23,039
youtube yes i know sounds crazy but it's

754
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,149
also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

755
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:32,159
with michelle bickersma and funny

756
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:33,600
sketches with richard saunders and a

757
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:38,950
just click on the youtube links on the

758
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,000
[Music]

759
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:03,440
now it's time once again to dive into

760
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:04,960
those pages at trove at

761
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:07,600
trove.nla.gov.edu

762
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,279
the online resource from the australian

763
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:11,039
government and the national library of

764
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:14,080
australia chock-a-block full to the brim

765
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:16,880
overflowing with digital archives going

766
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,640
back decades and decades and centuries

767
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:22,480
and this week we're going back very far

768
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:25,279
indeed in a sense in a sense we're going

769
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:26,799
to be looking at something that i

770
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:29,840
certainly remember from yeah the 1970s

771
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:32,720
really maybe the 1980s

772
00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:40,630
what is pyramid power well let's have a

773
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:42,760
look at wiki pyramid power

774
00:31:47,180 --> 00:31:45,200
pseudoscientific belief that pyramids

775
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:47,190
confer impossible powers

776
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,480
[Music]

777
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,480
pyramid power refers to the belief that

778
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:52,960
the ancient egyptian pyramids and

779
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:55,679
objects of similar shape can confer

780
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:58,480
a variety of benefits

781
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,279
among these assumed properties are the

782
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:03,600
ability to preserve foods

783
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:06,159
sharpen or maintain the sharpness of

784
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:07,519
razor blades

785
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,000
improve health function as a

786
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:12,000
thought form incubator whatever that

787
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,200
means

788
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:15,840
trigger sexual urges and cause other

789
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,559
effects such unverified conjectures

790
00:32:21,789 --> 00:32:20,480
regarding pyramids are collectively

791
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:21,799
known as

792
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,760
pyramidology

793
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:25,919
i certainly remember talk about

794
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:29,279
sharpening razor blades and keeping food

795
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:31,760
fresh like fruit stored under a pyramid

796
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,320
would never go off apparently

797
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,000
people used to construct

798
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,039
pyramid shapes and sleep under them

799
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:41,440
and here on the wiki page it says

800
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:44,320
in 2005 an episode of mythbusters was

801
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,399
aired on the discovery channel

802
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:49,120
in which a basic test of pyramid power

803
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:50,399
was performed

804
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:51,440
using

805
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:53,919
pyramids built to specifications found

806
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:56,960
in pyramid power claims reflecting the

807
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:59,200
location of the king's chamber in the

808
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,039
great pyramid of giza

809
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:03,440
several claims were tested concerning

810
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:06,480
food rotting a flower rotting and a

811
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,200
razor blade going dull with control

812
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,640
protocols in place there was no

813
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:13,120
significant difference between items in

814
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:14,559
the pyramid

815
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,360
and items outside

816
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:19,840
but let's go back to the 1970s when this

817
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:21,200
was a thing

818
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:23,679
this really wasn't it still is a thing

819
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,559
but more so in the 1970s

820
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,559
and we turned to the pages of the

821
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,200
canberra times dated the 4th of january

822
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:33,519
1979

823
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,799
pyramid

824
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,240
experiments

825
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,360
[Music]

826
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,360
and there's no my line so i guess this

827
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:43,679
is written by a staff writer at the time

828
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:46,480
the popular enthusiasm for psychic

829
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:49,519
phenomena has awakened new interest in

830
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,159
the strange power apparently possessed

831
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:54,399
by pyramids the strange power of

832
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,279
pyramids was probably first suspected in

833
00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:59,600
modern times when archaeologists

834
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:01,840
investigating the great pyramids in

835
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:02,880
egypt

836
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:05,760
could find no logical explanation for

837
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,559
the

838
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,399
mummified animals

839
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,960
which they found in tunnels deep within

840
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,159
the structure

841
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,000
now one of the most common pyramid

842
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:17,040
experiments is to dehydrate small pieces

843
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:20,480
of meat by placing them under a pyramid

844
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,919
in the 1940s a shekel slovakian

845
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,520
carol derble

846
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:27,679
i think that's pronounced discovered

847
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:29,839
that a pyramid would sharpen razor

848
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:33,040
blades he finally obtained a patent for

849
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:34,560
his quote

850
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:35,679
invention

851
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,800
end quote and marketed it worldwide

852
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:41,200
as well as sharpening razor blades and

853
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,399
dehydrating meat pyramids are supposed

854
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,480
to be able to stimulate plant growth

855
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,879
recharge batteries improved television

856
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:51,119
and radio reception

857
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:53,200
just like in ancient egypt

858
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:56,879
stimulate the healing process of wounds

859
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:00,480
and remove tarnish from metal objects is

860
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:03,520
there anything it can't do

861
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,520
can a pyramid really do these things

862
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:09,440
it is easy enough to find out for

863
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,640
yourself

864
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:13,119
build a pyramid and conduct some

865
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:14,720
experiments

866
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:16,720
yeah okay

867
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:18,800
pyramids can be constructed with sheet

868
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:19,839
sides

869
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:22,720
or as an open framework without any

870
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:25,280
noticeable difference in the effects

871
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,320
the dimensions are not very critical

872
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:30,880
but most are modeled after the great

873
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,520
pyramid all pyramids have a square base

874
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,839
with triangular sides of equal length

875
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,320
which meet at an apex

876
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:40,240
in the great pyramid the length of the

877
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,280
sides is about five percent shorter than

878
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,200
the length of the base

879
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:47,040
and accompanying the item are a little

880
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,640
diagrams how to construct your

881
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,880
cardboard pyramid it would seem to me

882
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:54,400
and then place it over a little pot

883
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,599
plant so to make a pyramid on a base of

884
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,200
20 centimeters

885
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,280
you would need four triangles with sides

886
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,839
measuring 19 centimeters

887
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:05,839
any material can be used to make your

888
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:08,480
pyramid but cardboard there you go is

889
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:11,440
probably the easiest to handle you can

890
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,240
put it together with adhesive tape

891
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,320
for the pyramid to work properly it must

892
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,720
be correctly aligned with one side

893
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,119
facing magnetic north

894
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,280
use a compass

895
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:25,760
when you have your pyramid finished and

896
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:28,240
aligned you will probably want to see if

897
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:29,440
it works

898
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:31,920
there is one method which has mixed

899
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:34,720
results but it is very simple and may

900
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:37,359
produce results for you

901
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:39,920
make a very light pendulum perhaps from

902
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:42,640
a ping-pong ball on a length of thread

903
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:45,839
and bring it slowly near the side of the

904
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:48,640
pyramid or over the top the pendulum is

905
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,480
supposed to deflect when it contacts the

906
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:54,960
pyramid's energy field

907
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:57,599
the power of the pyramid is supposedly

908
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,400
projected down within the limits of the

909
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:02,480
imaginary lines

910
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,359
extended from the sides it grows

911
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:07,599
progressively weaker as it gets further

912
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,240
away from the focal energy point which

913
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,560
is in the center of the pyramid one

914
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:14,880
third from the distance from the base to

915
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,800
the apex energy is also projected off

916
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:19,920
the tip

917
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,040
and the base corners

918
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,280
you can test the dehydrating effects of

919
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,280
the pyramid with small pieces of meat or

920
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:29,839
fruit the process will take several days

921
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:32,240
depending on the size of the object

922
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:33,599
and the pyramid

923
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:35,359
another experiment you could try would

924
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:38,000
be to test the effect of a pyramid on

925
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:39,280
plant growth

926
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,960
plant seeds into pots under identical

927
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:44,560
conditions but

928
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:47,200
put a pyramid over one of them

929
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:48,800
do the plants under the pyramid

930
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,200
germinate and grow faster

931
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:53,760
pyramids are supposed to

932
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:54,640
quote

933
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:00,480
try it with two glasses of water put one

934
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:02,960
under a pyramid overnight and compare

935
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,160
the taste in the morning

936
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:08,720
what an interesting article and almost

937
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,079
almost

938
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:12,720
a scientific protocol

939
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,520
being suggested here but of course

940
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,119
but of course they don't talk about

941
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:19,599
double-blind testing

942
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:22,720
and somewhat similar is another report

943
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:25,119
we find in the australian

944
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,800
women's weekly dated the 19th of october

945
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:30,560
1977

946
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:33,680
pyramid power how to make it work for

947
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:34,640
you

948
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:38,000
yes 1977 keep that in mind keep that in

949
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:39,280
mind

950
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:41,599
the strange force inside a pyramid can

951
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:44,000
easily be harnessed for many domestic

952
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,760
uses claims

953
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,040
scientist

954
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,280
norman stark

955
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,599
norman stuck well before we progress

956
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:53,520
let's see if we can find any information

957
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,320
about

958
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,480
norman stark

959
00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:59,520
and a return here says

960
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:01,760
there's a book been published

961
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,640
under the name norman h stark

962
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:06,880
and a return from amazon

963
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,440
the first practical pyramid book free

964
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,079
energy for beauty health gardening

965
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:14,800
food dehydration and meditation

966
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,720
published on the first of january 1977.

967
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,560
so this looks like

968
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,880
the australian women's weekly

969
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,400
would have seen the press release or

970
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,880
something from the publisher at the time

971
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,320
and if i look at the cover of the book

972
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,240
and this is on amazon

973
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,800
it's uh it says free pyramid inside

974
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:35,200
norman stark the first practical pyramid

975
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:36,400
book

976
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,800
and the cover has

977
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,640
a young lady sitting in the lotus

978
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,640
position in a leotard

979
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:45,040
under a pyramid with some

980
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:46,480
flowers and

981
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,280
plants and other things about her

982
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:51,520
seems to be a minor collector's item

983
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:54,800
because the paperback is 35

984
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:56,720
explains how to use the mysterious

985
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:59,119
electrical energy forces existing within

986
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,119
a pyramid for such purposes as

987
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:03,680
dehydrating foods chemically changing

988
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,319
water and sharpening razor blades

989
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:08,319
includes instructions for building your

990
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:11,119
own pyramid but apart from that i can

991
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:13,359
find very little about norman stark

992
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,720
himself

993
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,880
nevertheless we might read on with the

994
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,319
article

995
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,240
pyramids properly constructed and

996
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,480
positioned are a source of unlimited

997
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,119
energy which can be put to use in many

998
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,760
different ways from dehydrating food to

999
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:29,119
meditating

1000
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:33,280
science has recognized that an unknown

1001
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:35,839
electrical energy exists inside a

1002
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,040
pyramid

1003
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,880
but the force has not yet been

1004
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:40,560
identified

1005
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:44,000
yes yes 1977 australian women's weekly

1006
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,030
however we know this free energy can

1007
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,880
dehydrate food

1008
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:53,200
make yogurt preserve cut flowers and

1009
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:56,480
herbs reduce plant growing time keep

1010
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,119
razor blades sharp help house plants

1011
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:01,520
grow faster and stronger chemically

1012
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:05,680
change water energize aluminium and make

1013
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,000
medication easier and more effective

1014
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:12,720
the amazing power of pyramids has been

1015
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:15,520
tested and proved under laboratory

1016
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:19,760
conditions using an exact scale model of

1017
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,880
the chiops pyramid in egypt

1018
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,440
you can also get the same results by

1019
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:27,760
putting a pyramid to work

1020
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:32,630
recent scientific interest in the power

1021
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,920
of pyramids began when a frenchman

1022
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:37,680
m bovee

1023
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:38,560
entered

1024
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,440
chiop's pyramid some years ago and found

1025
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:43,920
dead animals in the king's chamber which

1026
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,280
had not decayed but had instead

1027
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,680
dehydrated and mummified

1028
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,359
believing that the shape of the pyramid

1029
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:53,359
might have significance he built a

1030
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:56,880
small-scale model and placed a dead cat

1031
00:42:02,710 --> 00:41:59,520
in it about one-third the distance from

1032
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,720
the base to the apex at the king's

1033
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:04,319
chamber level

1034
00:42:09,309 --> 00:42:07,839
the cat mummified

1035
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,319
really

1036
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:11,920
explorations over thousands of years

1037
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,000
have established that there are a number

1038
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:16,400
of rooms within the great pyramid

1039
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:19,839
but the electrical force seems greatest

1040
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,319
at the king's chamber

1041
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,720
this room is below the apex roughly

1042
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:26,720
one-third the distance up

1043
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:30,319
from the base to the apex it is a bear

1044
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:31,200
room

1045
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:36,079
9 meters 30 feet long 5 meters 17 feet

1046
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:40,560
wide by 6 meters 19 feet high containing

1047
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,920
only a lidless sarcophagus a rectangular

1048
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,440
stone coffin

1049
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:47,760
geops pyramid is the seventh wonder of

1050
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,400
the ancient world and the tallest of

1051
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,800
many pyramids located about 16

1052
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:54,880
kilometers west of cairo it contains

1053
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,280
over two and a half million blocks of

1054
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,760
limestone and granite

1055
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,760
and this is a lengthy article so we'll

1056
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:03,760
just skip a little bit here where it

1057
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,040
talks about the uh the dimensions

1058
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,280
and we pick it up where it says

1059
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:11,760
one way by which we can establish that

1060
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:14,000
an electrical force exists within a

1061
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:17,280
pyramid is by an experiment using a

1062
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:20,560
small pyramid this must of course be an

1063
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,000
exact scale model of the chiops aligned

1064
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,200
to true north and away from electrical

1065
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,200
disturbances

1066
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,680
didn't we read earlier on

1067
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,520
that it should be aligned to magnetic

1068
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:35,200
north

1069
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:38,480
if a steel needle attached to a thread

1070
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,520
is held over the apex it will slowly

1071
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:44,160
start to swing around the apex in a

1072
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,760
circular motion

1073
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:47,920
which will then turn in

1074
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:50,720
an oval path and finally swing back and

1075
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,720
forth as a pendulum over the true north

1076
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:56,240
south line

1077
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,599
and breaking here for a moment to say

1078
00:44:01,349 --> 00:44:00,000
this of course describes the idiom motor

1079
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:01,359
action when it comes to swinging

1080
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:02,560
pendulums

1081
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:04,960
now very well understood

1082
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:07,359
no mystery there simply a psychological

1083
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,640
effect

1084
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,160
we pick it up

1085
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:12,000
the distance of the swearing varies

1086
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:13,760
greatly depending on the person holding

1087
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,800
the thread if the needle swings on a one

1088
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:18,800
inch arc for the person holding the

1089
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,200
thread and another person for whom the

1090
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,680
needle will swing over a three inch arc

1091
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:26,160
puts a hand on the person holding the

1092
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:27,040
thread

1093
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:30,079
the needle will increase its swing

1094
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,079
sounds very scientific

1095
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:34,319
the only conclusion

1096
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,359
we come to is that there must be some

1097
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:39,440
connection between the electrical system

1098
00:44:47,069 --> 00:44:41,839
of the person's body

1099
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,870
1977-1977

1100
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,720
cosmetic uses

1101
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,040
they say that pictures don't lie so

1102
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,920
here's more proof above left that an

1103
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,440
electrical force exists within the

1104
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,880
pyramid

1105
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:01,040
curling photography

1106
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:03,040
which we've examined

1107
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:04,960
on a previous trove

1108
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,680
curling photography has now given us a

1109
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:09,839
tool to establish conclusively that

1110
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,920
pyramid energy is not restricted to the

1111
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,839
confines of

1112
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:16,560
the inside of the pyramidal loan but in

1113
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,480
effect radiates from it as well

1114
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,400
perhaps this is the reason that it is

1115
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,560
not considered safe to operate aircraft

1116
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,880
in the vicinity of the pyramids because

1117
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,200
numerous instrument malfunctions have

1118
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:31,599
been reported by pilots

1119
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:34,960
oh dear i hope they take more care

1120
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,119
what can a pyramid do

1121
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:39,920
the energy force within a pyramid can do

1122
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:43,760
many things some of which are as follows

1123
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,960
1.

1124
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,280
meditation is far easier inside a

1125
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,680
pyramid for many people the benefits of

1126
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:51,760
better physical and mental health and

1127
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:54,640
improved material well-being

1128
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,520
2.

1129
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:57,839
dehydration of vegetables and fruits

1130
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:01,200
such as asparagus beets carrots onions

1131
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,480
and onion greens corn peas peppers beans

1132
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:06,720
mushrooms apples pears and

1133
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:08,000
peaches

1134
00:46:15,309 --> 00:46:12,000
3. dehydration of meat such as beef

1135
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:15,319
venison and fish 4.

1136
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:18,400
transferring pyramid energy to water for

1137
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,079
medicinal and cosmetic uses

1138
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:24,400
5. transferring pyramid energy to

1139
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:28,160
aluminium for a dozen household purposes

1140
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,760
just like the ancient

1141
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:31,119
egyptians

1142
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,319
6. making yogurt in the pyramid

1143
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,800
seven germinating seedlings and growing

1144
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,800
plants in the pyramid

1145
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,160
is there anything you can't do in the

1146
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,319
pyramid eight

1147
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:44,800
mellowing wine in the pyramid

1148
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,680
nine

1149
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:48,400
mellowing tobacco in the pyramid such as

1150
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:51,040
pipe tobacco cigarettes and cigars

1151
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:52,240
well that's okay if you're in the

1152
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,680
pyramid doing that i'm sure you'll get

1153
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:56,240
better health anyway then sharpening

1154
00:47:04,069 --> 00:46:59,119
razor blades in the pyramid for dozens

1155
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,079
of extra shaves always align the race

1156
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:06,400
always align the razor blade with the

1157
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:09,520
north south axis of the pyramid

1158
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:17,030
now the rest of this

1159
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:18,560
report here

1160
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,720
talks about building a pyramid much like

1161
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:22,640
the other article gives you dimensions

1162
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:23,359
and

1163
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,040
it um depending on where you are in

1164
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:35,359
australia but we pick it up a bit later

1165
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,200
on where it says pyramids for meditation

1166
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,520
the pyramid seems to enhance meditation

1167
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,960
for many people

1168
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,359
it has been found that the best location

1169
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:47,680
in the pyramid for meditation is at the

1170
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,079
location of the king's chamber below the

1171
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,359
apex the meditator may assume either a

1172
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,680
lying down or sitting position in either

1173
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,760
case the body should be aligned to the

1174
00:48:02,309 --> 00:47:59,359
true north line

1175
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,319
energize water the energy found in the

1176
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,640
pyramid can be transferred simply by

1177
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:07,200
storing water in the king's chamber

1178
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:09,040
it is important to remember that your

1179
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,119
pyramid should be of sufficient size so

1180
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:15,680
that what is put in does not exceed

1181
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,319
about five percent of the total volume i

1182
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,559
wonder how you figured that out there

1183
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,280
are many uses for energized water where

1184
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,400
it excels over plain tap water when

1185
00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:28,880
pyramid water is used on house plants

1186
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,920
the growth rate is

1187
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:33,119
substantially increased

1188
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:34,720
and the color

1189
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,359
greatly intensified

1190
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:40,319
women friends swear that using energized

1191
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:43,599
water as a face wash has a beneficial

1192
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:45,920
effect on the complexion

1193
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:49,200
and as a hair rinse it brings out the

1194
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:50,640
highlights

1195
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,040
we use pyramid water for drinking and

1196
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,119
feel that the taste is better than

1197
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:57,839
ordinary untreated water this applies to

1198
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:00,559
making coffee tea and all sorts of

1199
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,640
drinks as well and it goes on with other

1200
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:07,200
benefits but we'll curtail this and just

1201
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,200
get to the

1202
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:11,680
to the end of the story and again i will

1203
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:13,280
add a link to this in the show notes

1204
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:14,160
this

1205
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,440
link to the trove generally but i'll add

1206
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:21,599
an exact link to this item you might

1207
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,839
want to read the rest of it

1208
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,160
you can use free energy as an easy

1209
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:28,160
economical way

1210
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,520
that would be very economical of

1211
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,680
dehydrating fruits vegetables meats fish

1212
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,079
and poultry without artificial additives

1213
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,400
if the following simple directions for

1214
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:40,400
dehydrating in a pyramid are carefully

1215
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:43,680
followed the foods should be nutritious

1216
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:47,200
economical free of unwanted bacteria and

1217
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,400
the flavors considerably enhanced

1218
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:52,880
the trays used for dehydration of foods

1219
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:55,680
should be made of aluminium energized or

1220
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:58,640
non-metallic screening tightly stretched

1221
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:01,760
over a frame of wood and raised within

1222
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:04,960
one inch legs to allow for adequate

1223
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,800
circulation of air

1224
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:09,359
in dehydrating food utmost care should

1225
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,319
be taken to see that conditions are

1226
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:14,880
clean from start to finish

1227
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,599
wash hands often with soap and water

1228
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:19,520
don't handle food if you have sores on

1229
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,240
your face hands or arms

1230
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,400
good advice at last

1231
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,559
keep table counters cutting surfaces

1232
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:29,280
knives and other equipment scrupulously

1233
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,559
clean

1234
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:32,640
shield food from insects

1235
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:35,440
the safe maximum percentage of water to

1236
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,800
leave in home dried procedure

1237
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:40,880
are no more than five percent for

1238
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,599
vegetables and no more than 20

1239
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,640
for fruit

1240
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,400
always check dehydrated food

1241
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,960
particularly meat and other proteins

1242
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:50,880
both before and after storage to be

1243
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:54,480
certain there is no mold or infestation

1244
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,880
no off odor and no rancidity

1245
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:00,880
any food that shows any of these

1246
00:51:05,730 --> 00:51:03,760
properties should be immediately

1247
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:05,740
discarded

1248
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:09,920
[Music]

1249
00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:12,400
well there you go what great advice what

1250
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,800
great advice from

1251
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:15,359
1977

1252
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:17,920
in the australian women's weekly

1253
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,559
magazine

1254
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,640
and think that this sort of thing was

1255
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,880
actually taken seriously

1256
00:51:29,109 --> 00:51:26,400
at the time

1257
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:29,119
i guess maybe the editor of the magazine

1258
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:30,640
at the time thought it was worth filling

1259
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:33,359
up let's see one two

1260
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:36,640
three four five pages

1261
00:51:41,170 --> 00:51:39,920
and as i keep saying 1977 people were

1262
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:41,180
into all sorts of um

1263
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:42,720
[Music]

1264
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:45,040
interesting things

1265
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,119
and you too can be into all sorts of

1266
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:48,720
interesting things when you go to trove

1267
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:51,599
at trove.nla

1268
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:54,400
and learn how to make a pyramid

1269
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:56,240
or maybe just want to have better

1270
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,800
tasting water whatever the case because

1271
00:52:01,829 --> 00:52:00,480
it trove

1272
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:01,839
you never know

1273
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:04,980
what you might find

1274
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:22,549
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1275
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:25,200
zone and i did enjoy my barbecue now for

1276
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:26,640
those people expecting to hear an

1277
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:27,760
interview with

1278
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,480
ben radford this week and part two of

1279
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,880
last week's book of tim i've had to

1280
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:34,319
juggle the uh

1281
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,920
the segments around

1282
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:37,760
a little lately

1283
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,760
so those two segments the interview with

1284
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:41,200
ben radford and

1285
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,720
part two of the book of tim where he

1286
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:44,800
talks about perpetual motion that will

1287
00:52:50,990 --> 00:52:48,480
be on next week's show so stay tuned to

1288
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:51,000
tune in for episode number

1289
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:54,160
722 on the 7th of august for those

1290
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,520
segments

1291
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:57,599
also coming up next week on the trove

1292
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,319
segment we look at the day the city of

1293
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:01,680
adelaide

1294
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,880
wasn't washed away by a tsunami in 1976

1295
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:08,720
thank you to those people who continue

1296
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:11,280
to support the skeptic zone via patreon

1297
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:14,400
or paypal or the occasional donation

1298
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,240
it means that you people who do continue

1299
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:18,800
to support the show get to hear the show

1300
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:21,280
but your generous donations means that

1301
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:23,520
everybody else gets to enjoy the show

1302
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:26,640
too so thank you very much indeed and if

1303
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:29,359
you feel so inclined you can go to

1304
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:32,480
skepticzone.tv click the subscriptions

1305
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:33,760
link

1306
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:36,559
it's quite obvious on the page and you

1307
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:39,359
too can help support the skeptic zone

1308
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,359
also at that page you'll find the show

1309
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:43,440
notes for every episode you can listen

1310
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,680
to the show right off that page itself

1311
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:47,280
and if you scroll down to the bottom of

1312
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,720
the page you can see things like the

1313
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:50,400
solar flare

1314
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:51,680
adventure

1315
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:54,160
my origami prints for sale

1316
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:55,760
and a link to the

1317
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:57,680
vaccination chronicles

1318
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:00,319
uh documentary but for this week this is

1319
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:02,559
richard saunders signing off from sydney

1320
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:09,270
you've been listening to the skeptic

1321
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,800
zone podcast

1322
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:12,160
please visit our website at

1323
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,390
for show notes contacts and to access

1324
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:20,960
the back catalog of episodes going back

1325
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,200
to 2008.

1326
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,119
you can follow the skeptic zone podcast

1327
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,839
on twitter at skepticzone

1328
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,000
visit our facebook page or leave a

1329
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:32,319
review on itunes

1330
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:34,400
you can also support the skeptic zone

1331
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:37,599
via patreon or paypal the skeptic zone

1332
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:38,400
podcast

1333
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,280
is an independent production the views

1334
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,040
and opinions expressed on the skeptic

1335
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,040
zone are not necessarily those of

1336
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:47,440
australian skeptics or any other

1337
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:03,030
i hope

1338
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:04,480
that this was

1339
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:07,839
well read ouch that hurt my head i think

1340
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,040
it's too

1341
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:11,280
loud